The Passion Of The Christ

It happend...it was just as bloody if not worse than depicted....its a horrible thing...its kind of the point.....

If you can't deal with it...by all means...stay home.

 

I've seen both arguments on the gore of this movie. I am not a horror fan either, but I felt what was shown in the movie was completely different. I agree with Marshall in that this was a depiction as close to truth on how it really happened. That was the point, to show what our Savior went through for us. We can't say that God doesn't understand our hurting because he has gone through it. In fact from what I heard about the gore, I was actually expecting a lot more than what was shown. As an example, they only showed Judas hang himself. IIRC in the Bible Judas hung himself on a cliff, the branch broke and he fell to the bottom; his guts splattering all over the ground. I believe they named the field at the bottom of the cliff after his act. I'd take the time to find it right now, but I have to pack for my moving up to Seattle on Sunday. If anyone can verify this for me, that would be appreciated.

Oh, and thanks for that extra info on Pilot Marshall. Now that I think about it, I do remember him mentioning something about his life being on the line.

 

Barabbas from my understanding was a "freedom fighter" ...yes a murderer...but from my vague knowledge..he was always like the leader of uprisings against the Romans...a folk hero so to say...(still a relentless criminal though)
Therfore looked at like thorn in the Roman butt and a RobinHood to the lower class but with teeth and rather harsh...obviously...

Jesus had been betrayed by his people... the same people that sort of looked on Barabbas as a folk hero of sorts...

The balance of this was Pilot on probation with Ceasar and could not personally afford another Uprising of the sort that Barabbas had been leading... which of the mob described...would have undoubtedly have arrisen if he'd not let the crowd have their way...

Definatly would not have wanted to be in his shoes.... from his standpoint... had to suck.... clearly an innocent man stood before him (he was not a jew obviously and possibly oblivious to actual weight of the situation at hand) and he had to give him to a mob to advert a possible uprising that would kill him either by the mob itself or by Ceasar's hand later.... no way out for him...

 

It happend...it was just as bloody if not worse than depicted....its a horrible thing...its kind of the point.....

If you can't deal with it...by all means...stay home. [/b][/quote]
I've never seen the movie... I'm simply passing on what I've read and heard... and seemed to be confirmed by my own father.

Also, no one that I've read or heard from has conveyed anything negative about the message it conveyed... my father saw it on his journey driving back from Florida at some theater...
He's a pretty big guy... even he couldn't hold back from crying... and he said there was some 300lb "hells angel" type of biker guy next to him... crying too.
Must be powerful.


But "perception is reality", that's my only point.

It could be a movie full of nothing but girl scouts, skipping door to door selling cookies...
But if the impression was that it was an overly-bloody movie... if that was the first thing everyone warned you about... that perception simply becomes reality, to those who haven't yet seen it... And that will discourage them.

That's all I am saying.
If it is truly that powerful of a movie, if it really does instill that sense of awe in Jesus' sacrifice... then it's a shame, if that's true, if that's unfounded or even exaggerated, in any way...
Because that's the perception that I have had - and I'm not alone - I'm simply reading what others have written, and hearing what others have said.

Can I handle it?
How do I know, I haven't seen it yet.

 

I've never seen the movie... I'm simply passing on what I've read and heard... and seemed to be confirmed by my own father.

Also, no one that I've read or heard from has conveyed anything negative about the message it conveyed... my father saw it on his journey driving back from Florida at some theater...
He's a pretty big guy... even he couldn't hold back from crying... and he said there was some 300lb "hells angel" type of biker guy next to him... crying too.
Must be powerful.


But "perception is reality", that's my only point.

It could be a movie full of nothing but girl scouts, skipping door to door selling cookies...
But if the impression was that it was an overly-bloody movie... if that was the first thing everyone warned you about... that perception simply becomes reality, to those who haven't yet seen it... And that will discourage them.

That's all I am saying.
If it is truly that powerful of a movie, if it really does instill that sense of awe in Jesus' sacrifice... then it's a shame, if that's true, if that's unfounded or even exaggerated, in any way...
Because that's the perception that I have had - and I'm not alone - I'm simply reading what others have written, and hearing what others have said.

Can I handle it?
How do I know, I haven't seen it yet. [/b][/quote]
you also said
"That description I know will prevent my wife from wanting to see this movie.. I would have liked to have seen this movie, but I'm also not a big gore fan.. I don't even like horror movies one bit. Maybe I'm weird, but "who wants to see that?" "

So....you have no real intention of seeing it...only intention i can see is to try to babble your fear of what you may see...
Spreading mass hysteria that you yourself have not experienced...if you need the water'd down version....stick to public broadcast...

This movie undoubtedly has a reason......probably just to drive home and reinforce what believers already know but need to see in a more real way...to help or try to help them come back to what they used to be...or be better than what they are...

And so what if it does draw fangore and gore crowds...maybe they'll get something out of it....maybe something good can come from it...MAYBE!!!!!!!!!!...the movie was made to reach them (heres your smiles back )

 

i saw it as well, and although im not big on gore, i dont think it should have been edited down to NOT show that stuff. the point is to get your attention...not to show the PG rated version of what happened.

i realize i grew up in an age that stuff like that is no big deal...but this was a big deal. id rather not have seen the gore, but i think the shock value is more than worth it. it drives home the story. it wasnt to draw crowds, it was to make people squirm because its CLOSE to what happened.

chris, i really think you ought to see it before dismissing that it would be too gory for other people to watch. i really didnt want to see the gore, but i went and saw it because i felt a spiritual need to watch it.

eric

 

I agree that Chris needs to watch it. But I think the main point he is trying to make is that this movie is becoming known for it's gore, and that may keep people from watching it when in fact they need to see it, or would enjoy it. I think he is just using himself as an example. Too be honest, I was worried about it too before I watched it. But now I am glad I saw it.

 

Didnt Mel Gibson's nazi father say that the Holocaust never happened, and it was just an exaggeration.

I think Religion brings about more problems than it solves. The whole "My god is the only god" view in this world is simply rediculuous and I want no part of it.

Maybe Ill see the movie when it comes on HBO but Im not wasting 8 dollars on it. I sincerely believe that the movie was made with financial concerns first and good message second.

My 2 cents...hehe

 

who cares what MelGibson's father said...
I'm not responsible for what my father said either...and your not responsible for what your father said..

You're in this country because of religeon.....and this country was founded on religeous beliefs... but don't get the wrong idea.....personally ...i don't care of you believe or not......thats not my problem or my concern.........
I think if you think you are the highest order of life in the universe and there is no GOD, you must be pompus-arrogant- and ignorant and ..I want no part of that .....and i'm just as free to say that as you are to say the belief of One GOD is rediculous huh... (insulting to believers to say that but since we are insulting ones beliefs...)

Its typical for people that are bitter toward religeon to think everything that is put forth from a religeos point of view is for monitary gain or alternative motive...the fact is...it took a few years to find taker for the film...and alot of money was out of pocket of Mel Gibson himself to produce the movie... if it dumped...it would have been out of pocket for him... so..he wanted to make the movie...show what he had the vision of....wow...thats never happend before...
In your eyes...i guess every believer that wants to make or do something worthy is just greedy and out for money...there are no good people in this world...they all suck and are out for your pathetic 8 dollars....

Theres your 2 cents back since they are so precious to you LOL...

I guess the religeous people that braved the months out to sea and scurvy, starvation and malnoureshment to set up a country that you are free to voice your opionion and do what you want to do .... they were after your money too huh...

:blow:

 

I'm not (nor would I ever) making any statements about what other people should or shouldn't watch...

What I've said was:
"these" are the things that I've read - from the media....
"these" are the same things that I've heard from people who've seen the movie... including people I'm close to - my own father for example.

And because that's enough to have discouraged ME (who I consider pretty difficult to shock), I'm positive that my wife wouldn't be able to go, who tosses her cookies at the sight of a squished earthworm on the sidewalk.

I'm not advocating it one way or the other!

All I said was "this is what I've heard about it"...
And "it's too bad, if it's valuable to see... because I'm not the only one that's heard these things."
In fact, it's common impression... and I'm positive you've heard exactly the same comments about it.

Because I do think it's a shame, if the movie is valuable to see...
...if (follow the chain) because of the gore, people are talking about the gore, and because people are talking about the gore, other people are discouraged from seeing this 'disgusting' movie.
I think that's a shame... that's all I'm saying.

I'll probably rent it when it comes out... but I won't have anyone to watch it with, either.