Component Question

Discussion in 'Car Stereo Speakers' started by adsauce, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. adsauce

    adsauce Member

    I have a pair of JL Audio ZR 650 and I know the manual says to place the tweets within 8 inches of the woofers but I have a good spot for them in the dash where the sound bounces off the windshield. Will this really screw up the phasing or is it just Manufacturer Crap...
     
  2. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    its not crap. In an ideal enviorment, placement of the tweeter next to the woofer is critical for time alignment and phasing. But in the mobile enviorment this is not always practical. So experiment with locations (double sticky tape for temporary mounting of tweets) and listen to familiar music till you get what sounds to be the best location. BTW, try if you can to mount tweeters "on axis", this means point them at you if you can, not at a reflective surface.
     
  3. pedro quiroga

    pedro quiroga Well-Known Member

    don't some manufactures wire the tweet out of phase on some brands?

    can't you just rewire them if they have to be mounted a little further than normal?
     
  4. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member

    Yes they do Pedro. Usually this is due to the fact that alot of x-overs use a 12 dB/oct slope. this puts the signal to the tweet 180 degrees out of phase with the woofer. So inverting polarity will put it back in phase with the woofer.

    As for changing the phase at a different location? yes absolutely it is sometning that can be experimented with
     
  5. pedro quiroga

    pedro quiroga Well-Known Member

    i also have a question about the reflective surface thing you said.

    back in the day they made rear view mirror mounted tweets. specifically made to use the windshield to help disperse the sound. im assuming it was to widen the stage?

    i guess depending on the shape of the windshield ; all you can do is test diff locations.

    in my truck aiming my tweets towards each other is the most pleasing, even tho they are still loud. on axis was LOUDER than i liked. my EQ settings would make you think there would be no highs. it helps that my mids can play up high as well.

    so i guess my ramblings are to say what viking said. experiment with diff locations.
     
  6. Ranger SVO

    Ranger SVO Full Member

    In my truck, I aim the tweeters at the rear veiw mirror. I personally would never aim a tweeter at me. But again, experimenting with location is always a good idea

    By the way, 90's Chev Blazers with upper end systems had dash mounted tweeters, and they aimed them at the windshield not straight up.

    And finally, due to the very short wave lengths of high frequencies, in many cases a tweeter wired in phase or 180-degrees out of phase MAY not be noticable. Again, location location
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2010
  7. TheViking

    TheViking Well-Known Member



    The rear view mirror thing was used quite often, and maybe still is today, as a method of creating a center channel. attenuated signal and a lower x-over point on a set of tweets did a decent job at this. I remember eclipse used to make an actual rear view mirror mounted full range center channel.