Just something I've noticed on this board, SoundIllusions, CAF, and a few other audio boards that I frequent. Seems like someone always likes one company and refuses to run another companies gear. This place is more Adire than ED, whereas SI.Net is more ED than Adire, and they seem to hate everything that is Stereo Integrity and JL (until recently when people started getting the XR comp sets for cheap). Just curious why some people dislike other audio companies. Dealing with net only companies, and exluding the big boys (JL, RF, Alpine, etc), what makes you dislike a company? I dont want "ED Sucks" or "Adire Sucks" or any of that, just a logical response without flames. The way I see it, Adire, Elemental, Stereo Integrity, Resonant Engineering, and maybe more net only companies offer a good product with good customer service and I think all the companies hit their targeted audience. So why then do we dislike certain companies? Is the ED bandwagon growing too much that people are shying away from them? Wasnt there something like that, and that is still like that, with JL? It's a big name company with alot of hype and thus some people dont like it. Why are some people jumping on Adire's case saying they are trying to start a war with this recent sale on Brahma 15s when the only business Adire is trying to do is sell speakers and please customers? I just dont understand, wondering if someone could shed some light on the issue for me.
Well, I think the reason why forums are biased, is because a few people start frequenting the forums that dont like a certain common brand, they openly post against the brand this causes 3 things: 1. the people who dont know better that frequent the forum automatically think that since X and Y person who seem to know their stuff dont like em, so they must be bad 2. the people that like those brands go to a different forum 3. the people who like those brands and werent part of that forum, join it i personally dont like JL well, they have some quality products, but i despise subs with foam surrounds, but a lot of that is where i live i live in south tx by the gulf humidity and the heat here absolutely kill foam surrounds i also think they are way over priced...if you can get a deal on their amps, thats great go for it, but all authorized dealers ive seen are priced to high for what you get(IMO) they still make a good product, cept for those foam surrounds...lol -Cody
IMO, I like all the speakers I've listened to that are Internet based. I've heard the B15...LOVELY speaker. I've heard the 15A...and it does everything everyone says it does...I have not heard the XXX yet, but my little frankenstein's tell me I will...I really have enjoyed every company's product, I just don't seem to respect the people pushing their products (and this is not employee related)....I think every company offers something for SOMEONE out on the market, unfortunately, that someone will buy that product and knock on everything else because it isn't what his/her's speaker is... I don't like bandwagon..things get BLOWN up on a customer basis....it's one of the reasons why I would rather see the company I represent stay internet based and small in production... Adire's sale is about the smartest thing I've seen in a long time. Competition baby...I'm not sure if it was related at all to eD like some seem to think it is, but it's good for business, and better for customers...can you really complain??
this board is FAR from Biased to adire, Hell Up until a few weeks ago all I did was bad mouth them and I am still not fully on the "adire bandwagon" but they do make good products as far as "bashing" other brands that does not go on here much either JL, I hate them, everyone know it, but it has nothing do to with products and more with pubilc policy, see my many many many aurgumerns with Manville from JL on CAF... I dont Trust RE (dejsti) at all, I would never own their products, but I dont activly bash them on this forum (on caf I do though :lol: ) Me and my Mods try to keep it as unbaised as possible, if you find it occuring please use the "report" functions and it will be handled
I have a question about JL I heard a long time ago that before the W7 came out, JL was hitting SPL contests with "JL logo" vehicles that had supposedly JL woofers. but i heard the woofers were made by JBL and different dust caps with a JL logo were glued onto them. does that have any truth to it? -Cody
If you look around, this board has more Adire folks than anything else....that i'll promise you. I would definitely go as far as to say that this board is Adire-based, maybe not Adire biased though. As far as why boards tend to be biased towards one brand or another... People tend to support what they like and in the same fashion they won't support what they don't like, or in some cases what they don't know. When you have a board like SI.net where the owners and workers of eD frequent the boards all the time, naturally its members are going to try to suck up to them a bit and put down any other brand that's mentioned there. I imagine Acoustic-Vision is the same way with Adire. I have my personal preferences which aren't the same as alot of people's, but i try to keep my opinions somewhat unbiased...i try not to bash anybody .
I think it's the "follow my lead" mentality. I personally don't like to badmouth any company (aside from the obvious, Sony, Pyramid, and crap like that). I may kid around some, but I just don't think it is a good idea for someone representing any company (professionally or personally) to flay another company. That is just bad news. I know, some of you are saying "whoa, hold the crackpipe Seth... what about ED?". I don't try to sound like I am putting ED down, in fact, all of my reviews have been very kind. It is more the "follow my lead" mentality that chaps my ass. I will suggest alot of Mfgs gear, but if you want my opinion of what sounds best, it will be Adire Biased.
I don't think it's any different for any other product. My grandpa bought Ford's for 40 years. Hated GM vehicles. Toyota and Honda owners are something like, 95% certain their next vehicle will be Toyota or Honda. People find something they like, do some research (I hope), and make a purchase. If the purchase shows they made the right choice, they know the research they did worked...online car audio research seems to be done on various board. By it's nature, the internet, where anybody with an opinion gives their opinion, is a hype machine. Adire/RE/ED seem to be the companies receiving the most hype at the moment (although Adire has had it for a few years now...no longer a "flash in the pan"). I remember back in the day when 90% of posts on the forums were "Infinity Perfect ownz!", or "Kickers new square drivers are so f'in loud", or "This Mass is soooo loud and sounds soooo goood!". Then the hype dies down (or they go out of business). As long as people can give an opinion online, where this is almost no chance of actually meeting the person "advising", hype will reign down! I freakin' love JL, and will always support their products (with my mouth, not my wallet...maybe). People just want to spend a little less cash on these internet company's products. I recommend whatever products I like, regarldless of cost or popularity.
First of all I do want to say that Adire isn't an internet only company. It has a VERY large international dealer network as can be seen by looking at their dealer locator page. They also are a much larger company than you would think. They do a great deal of consulting work for even the largest audio companies. But those projects aren't made public, so Adire looks smaller than they really are. I am probably thought of as one of the biggest ED bashers by the ED croud. But that is just because I explain the differences between their products and other companies products. Since the ED subs aren't shown to be God's gift to the audio comunity by my posts, they think I am bashing them. But if you look at my posts, you will not see any bashing whatsoever. Now I do have some animosity toward ED. But that was caused by the treatment I recieved in one of the above instances by the biggest ED supporters.
**** eD....and ill tell you why. when eD started i was a big fan. ben is a nice guy, no doubt about it...and thats why i supported them. i have bought tons of stuff from ben. i bought 2 first gen 15a's, 1 second gen 10k, and 2 15k's...as well as a tsunami 1100dB and tons of eDead--contrary to statements made by some of the eD boneheads. my whole complaint is about how i was treated. from day one, i was a loyal fan. my problem is that i was not kept in the loop, either as a dealer or rep. when id get ahold of ben, the prices would always be higher when i went to pay. i also didnt care for how ben treated some of my friends, and then there was other stuff on top of that. if someone wants an eD driver, by all means--go for it. im not gonna ever suggest em, and when someone asks for a comparison, ill suggest the other company hands down. the service is the most important in my book, but i also expect for a company to deliver what it promises. if you rate your 12" driver at 26 mm, it damn well better hit 26 at the minimum...none of that 'its only at 25.4, but that doesnt matter its all about the music'. yeah it is about the music, but if someone specs something out at a certain level, every single one coming off the line better do it. amps are considered junk by people if they put out less than rated power, but its okay to for it to happen with drivers? **** naw. anyway, thats my rant. sound IS important, but ill support a company because of who they are before ill support a company for what they make. eric *not that i mean anything in the scheme of things :gunsmilie: *
i do want to add that the post above is my personal opinion and my opinion only. i would like to add that ive been pretty impressed by the sound of all the eD stuff ive heard, but as i said in the above posts, i refuse to support the company based on my own personal treatment. eric
The good thing about "bandwagon" type products is that bandwagons don't start because a company put out a cruddy product. They start because a company put out a great product. The bad thing about "bandwagons" is that really very few people understand what specifically is great about the product, and the discrete set of customers that would benefit from the product. But some of the less understanding forumgoers (members who still think questions like "which woofer is best?" is a valid question) will hear the praise laid upon said product, and will turn around and begin recommending it to others, in other threads... along with other enthusiasts who are recommending it, with similar thin understanding of what is particularly good about it. Other enthusiasts see all these recommendations, and begin recommending it also. The experts aren't countering the suggestions, because they themselves find the product appealing. So the normally great system of checks-and-balances on these forums is in some ways is working perfectly well, but in some ways is breaking down completely... And that leads to what I refer to as "lemming syndrome". Everyone is following everyone else, rather blindly, save for a few who made their decisions (and ended up with the same product) objectively. Soon, the company changes product lines... and you'll see this generates actually more buzz and excitement in the lemming community, the experts who objectively selected the product to begin with, you'll see become split in their opinions, as the products may be shifting away from their goals. Interesting to see the more "lemming" stating things like "Well, I think the new lines look great", actually in response to posts made by the same experts who really launched the "bandwagon" to begin with. And maybe they are... but it's particularly interesting to watch the dynamics at work as people try to criticize against this bandwagon. Many, many voices... how many minds? :bag: Don't get me wrong... in part, I'd love to see a "bandwagon" for us, when our products launch. :lol: But part of me knows that some of the "bandwagoning" can result in a future backlash... so I fear it equally.
Certainly understandable nizzy. I dont think anyone should follow a company that doesn't treat them right, regardless of how they treat the majority of their customers. I was somewhat on the inside of ED and Adire back in the day, and by somewhat, I do mean that. Just barely in both camps, knew just a touch more than the general public. With that comes alot of crap that most people never see. I'm not as hardcore into audio as I used to be and kinda got out of it for a few months. I came back as a customer and only that. I dont want to know or care to know what goes on behind the curtain at any company out there. I want what I've got with JL Audio in my Trans Am, I'm a nobody. Just another customer. I got an E8A for my daily driver because it fit my needs and I know if something happens to be wrong with my sub, as a customer just like anyone else, ED is going to take care of me, same as JL would if my components in the TA screwed up, or just like Adire would if my Kodas went kaput and it wasn't my fault. Also Stephen, I know Adire is much larger than their car audio segment, but thats the main thing I was refering too. I still haven't had a chance to hear any of their home audio stuff yet save the Maelstrom at Marshall's house but one day I hope I will hear the rest of their stuff. The mael was quite impressive though, kinda like :blowup:
did he blow the curtains around for ya's? i was impressed to say the least. too bad i dont have the mackie to play with anymore...could be lethal on that sub with the box uncorked uke: eric
Love JL products, hate the cost. When I first got into internet based companies or what not, it was from a HT forum and I was lookign for an alternative to the outrageously expensive, bland HT Subs. Did a search and I discovered something called a Sonosub with a Shiva. Interested, I started doing my homework and have had quite a bit of Adires' products. I am so in love with Tempests, I could, well........ Then I happened upon a couple eD drivers. They were excellent as well, and the prices were great. Started dealing with eD and had nothing but the best experience dealing with Ben and his team. Their customer service was top-notch with me. Last year I happened upon a Brahma, which I got for free, and had a bad experience with it. I was disappointed and had strayed from Adire because of it, but it was not an issue with them directly. Also have some experience with RE and I am currently awaiting my new RE driver. ALong comes SI, which I must admit, I just frankly did not like simply because of the looks. Then my good buddy Clarke gets a pair, and just starts jockin the hell out fo them. I still was not impressed because I believe he has a different "ear" than I do, but I am leaning towards SI for my next project. Overall, I am a cheap ass, and the cheaper the better. However, I will spend a few extra dollars simply for the customer service and support. And mainstream stuff, I like to be different.
