Philosophical Question

I've pondered this to myself many times... He obviously couldn't think in words, but he will most likely be capable of abstract thought. He will be able to formulate plans and solve problems, most likely through visual imagery.

Let's say you get in a fight. Will you think "Ok now is the time to punch," or will you just swing as soon as you figure out the right time? If you take the time to think it in words it'lll probably be too late. The same can apply to strategies worked out during a tennis point. You can plan out a long sequence of shots without really expressing them in words.

 

When you think to yourself, do you always think in terms of words or language? Like when you see a hot girl, do you actually say to yourself in your head, "Wow, she's hot, I'd hit it!"???

 

How do you think Language was formed... Some one THOUGHT about it

Before there was Language people used Pictures and "signs" to commincate with each other,

Ofcourse they have the ablity to think about things, but before langauge a persons most pressing issuse was where the next meal would be comming from,

the 3 most important objectives of life was Food Shelter and Breeding...

Hey same as now, but 100000000000X more Difficult

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When you think to yourself, do you always think in terms of words or language? Like when you see a hot girl, do you actually say to yourself in your head, "Wow, she's hot, I'd hit it!"???

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no I normally say that out loud

 

Language actually slows down thought...

Your brain thinks of a concept first, then you consciously think up words that describe that concept - that's additional thought that has to be done.

Here's something to ponder...
Back in high school, I used to load our seasonal trucks that would show up after holidays - I'm pretty good with visualizing spacial relations.
I knew I had a pile of items in that area of the warehouse, a pile of items in another area of the warehouse, and another pile somewhere else that all had to fit in.

...and possibly, there might have to be some additional strategy to think out - like maybe the truck was going to stop at one warehouse first to unload some of the items, and at another warehouse to unload the rest later.

At any rate, figuring out how to load all those items doesn't involve words...
It involves staring into the truck for a bit, staring at your pallets full of items to load, learning which items were going to be unloaded where... and picturing how it would all lay out in the end.

And then you simply make it happen... proof that there was thought, that there was intelligence, and all without words. B)

 

I don't know about him but I definitely don't speak to myself in words very often while problem solving either. For a problem like this it's more imagining the stacks of items and the size of the truck and rearraning them. I can imagine stacking boxes withough describing the action to myself. There can be deciding without talking.

Haven't you ever had sudden insight on how to solve a problem? An answer just pops into your head out of seemingly nowhere, and sometimes it can be hard to describe it in words.

 

What Came First the Chicken or the Egg???????

 

Another question i've thought about many times. If you believe in the theory of evolution i'd have to say the egg. The bird that layed the egg might not have been technically a chicken, but the bird coming from the egg has the neccesary gene combinations to be classified as a chicken. If you believe in the biblical creation, then it is of course the chicken.

I think i may have overthought this one .

 

Monkeys no, Apes Yes..

the Species we drived from is no longer around, thus why we are here, so todays apes are just cousins

Much like todays Alligators are just cousins to the larger "alligators" of the dino age....

I am not a Reglious Person, I do believe in god(s) in the Technical since, but I dont believe the bible, nor that "GOD" created all life

 

I'm curious as to what your beliefs are. You believe in creation but not the biblical creation? I'm sure they'd have to be at least like 18-20 though, at least a dozen of them.

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Monkeys no, Apes Yes..

the Species we drived from is no longer around, thus why we are here, so todays apes are just cousins

Much like todays Alligators are just cousins to the larger "alligators" of the dino age....

I am not a Reglious Person, I do believe in god(s) in the Technical since, but I dont believe the bible, nor that "GOD" created all life

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I think it was george carlin that said, "If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?"

 

well I could get in to all the differant elements as to why were here, all of them are vaild since no one really has a clue...


Today we feel we know alot, but just a few centries years ago they "KNEW" the earth was flat and we were the center of the universe

and I believe the Bible states "god created heaven and earth" so who created everything else?

We know within a good margin of error that the Universe Trillions of Trillions of Years old We have only exsisted for Fraction of that time, and we know that dinosours were here before us

So

a> "God" Created the Dinosours and Fucked up.. (but gods are infalible :blink: )

b> God does not Exsist in the way the "Church" Wants you to believe

Even with in the Church itself there are vastly differant views, and things have been "changed" over the years,

Thus we have many differant "versions" of the Bible,


and then if we look at the meaning of "god"

capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler

Then we can get in to "what is reality" and are there differant "levels" of exsistance....

So if there are then is "God" as we know him just a Power Hunger Freak???????? If he exsists at all?


but that was not your question I just felt the need to question religion in general
but if "nothing" exsisted how can "something" make us????? :detective: :bye:

now I think I will :blowup:

 

So you would term yourself an agnostic then?

Personally I believe that there is NO possible way to prove or disprove the existence of God of god(s). on a personal level though i choose to follow the God of the Bible (Jesus et al.) out of faith. Here are my view of the possibilities of existence (w/o religious bias)

1. Matter has always existed and always will exist. Many religious people have a problem with the possibility of an eternal and infinite universe yet they have no problem with an eternal and infinite God. If the universe HAD to be created why did God not?

2. There is a God or god(s) who created the universe as we know it. This being(s) does not have to be all knowing or all powerful or all good. It probably exists on a different plane of reality than ours yet is able to interact with ours (wether it interaceted beyond creation or not is a moot point). This being could have just created matter and let things take their course or could have created life in the biblical sene or it could have guided things as in the Intelligent Design theory.

3. We are an accident... There was no intention of the existence of man and we will die out shortly (in the scope of existence as a whole). There is nothing beyond this life and we should live solely for the goal of having as fulfilling of a life as possible. our lives are simply a breif period of existence between two vast gulfs of nothingness.

4. We are an accident but can continue on after life as we now know it is over. At the moment of death it is possible that some part of us carries on (our 'self' or 'mind', some refer to it as our 'soul') How long it continues and wether or not it is a 'better' existence is unknown. It could be just a few minuites of torment, pleasure, or just the simple knowledge that you still exist. or it could continue on for eternity (bear in mind that the principles of thermodynamics are limited to the physical world and another plane of existence would not necessarialy be bound by the principle of entropy*spelling?*)

5. We are planned but there is no continuation of life after death.

6. We are planned and life does continue after death. The same principles for the previous two apply to these theories.

These are just some of the possibilities out there. What you choose to believe is up to you. But if anyone ever tells you that they can philosophically PROVE or DISPROVE beyond doubt that there is (or isn't) a God they are a fool who is blinded to the reality of the problem by their beliefs. Any christian who philosophically considers the existence of God (as I have done) will ultimately arrive at the conclusion that there is NO possible way to prove that God exists and that belief MUST come from faith.


on an interesting side note... I was demoing my speakers to a friend from a college age youth group that i'm starting to attend and there were a few other guys out there too... one of the songs I played was Dishwalla's 'counting blue cars' the chorus of which goes
Tell me all your thoughts on God,
Cause i'd realy like to meet HER,
and ask HER why we're who we are.
TEll me all your thoughts on God
Cause I'm on my way to see HER.
and tell me am i very far.
One of the guys said, and i quote... "that's a bad song" I gave him a quizical look and asked why... apereantly it's because they refer to god as 'her'... I found this highly amusing as the God of the bible is truly neither male or female. God does not exist in our spatial temporal universe so why would God have a gender? In truth (if the bible is true, bear in mind that this story is solely to show an interaction between two people with the same religion and not to try to push my beliefs) the God of the bible posseses the characteristics of both genders. I was tempted to ask him "does God have a penis?" if he said yes i was gonna ask him if God was well hung LOL... The kid's obviously never been challenged in his beliefs, i think i'm going to have fun with him... Ya know, the only reason that God is refered to as HE and Father etc. is because the bible was written in a patriarcial society... it just realy amuses me the things that some people choose to make an issue of...

 

It's not really that clear cut. I am of the opinion that it is completely impossible to use historical evidence to disprove the existence of god.

This all powerful and all knowing god created everything in the universe, and you're trying to tell me it would be hard for him to create 'evidence' of something that didn't happen? It sure would be easy to believe if all scientific evidence pointed to the existence of a god.

But it doesn't. Instead we can explain the origin of the universe and of our species through observations made today (background radiation, fossilistic evidence of evolution, etc). This makes believing in a god and following the bible (or whatever you follow) actually worth something.

 

I think you are thinking too shallow...
And it's not all your fault - how much IQ does a human have? Even the most intelligent? How much IQ would be required to figure it out for certain?

Perhaps God created the dinosaurs first so that many thousands of years later, Humans could have oil, by which to power automobiles, so that they could have something to create car audio systems inside of.

If there were no dinosaurs, there would be no cars, and no car audio.

All things happen for a reason.