Vote Bush Because!!!

[sandt38]

1) 3 million jobs have been lost since he took office

2) 2.5 million more people have become unable to afford healthcare under Bush.

3) Bush gutted overtime pay for millions of Americans, including TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS, and NURSES... not that their jobs are important, and no worries about the fact that each of these jobs is in dire need of MORE workers to fill the actual needs of our nation

4) Bush chose tax giveaways for millionares over relief for states in need of funding help. Most states have been forced to cut services or raise taxes to pay for the administrations financial irresponsibilities.

5) Bush has refused to enroll over 350,000 middle income veterans in the VA health system, breaking a promise to those who have fought for this country. When did he make the cut? About 2 weeks into the military campaign in Iraq... Thatnks for risking your life for Bush guys, now get lost (That's leadership you can count on ).

6) Bush is refusing to fully fund 2 out of 3 firehouses that are still understaffed since 9/11. Not only that, but 77% of all FDs don't have the proper equipment or training to respond to chemical or bio weapons... That's homeland security!!!

6) Bush broke his promise to fund his own education program. He left millions of children behind by refusing to fund any part of his plan outside the initial testing.

7) Over the last 2 years Bush CUT spending for protection from violence in our schools by 45% and an additional 30% respectively.

Bush went to war in Iraq without a plan to win peace. Even now in the face of massive American casualties he STILL refuses UN and International aid in sharing the burden of reconstruction of the infrastructure.

9) Today Bush and Cheney FINALLY admitted that there has been no evidence of any WMD found in Iraq. In fact, the Iraqi's ability to produce such weapons has depleted annually since 1991.

10) Bush's economic plan has created the LARGEST deficit in HISTORY (this immediately following Clinton's $110 billion surplus!!!). It has also provided the WORST economic growth in years.

[The_Ancient]

Before I reply I want to say I do not want this to appear as me being a Bush Supporter, I think he is the Biggest Redneck Hillbilly to ever walk out of Texas, and has done thing to help anyone, Nor Will Kerry who is a Spoon Feed Momma's boy/////


Now with that said

Originally posted by sandt38@Oct 7 2004, 08:00 PM
1) 3 million jobs have been lost since he took office

2) 2.5 million more people have become unable to afford healthcare under Bush.

Shouldnt that be 3 mill?? After all who can afford insurance is they have no jobs :P

No but in all Fairness I would can not blame the Insurance problem on the Presidant, GREED is the cause of that BIG HUGE problem,. you understand that Insurace has gone up a whopping 25% in most area this year alone

3) Bush gutted overtime pay for millions of Americans, including TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS, and NURSES... not that their jobs are important, and no worries about the fact that each of these jobs is in dire need of MORE workers to fill the actual needs of our nation

4) Bush chose tax giveaways for millionares over relief for states in need of funding help. Most states have been forced to cut services or raise taxes to pay for the administrations financial irresponsibilities.

Most states need to TRIM SOME FAT anyway....

One of my Biggest Problems with the Government is the Mis/Over Spending of the Money they do get, Trust me if they actually Spent the money with care and consideration, like most of us whom are not Millionaries, they would have PLENTLY to go around, PLENTY

1.5 TRILLION was collected in PERSONAL INCOME taxes alone last year 1.5 TRILLION.......................................... ........... That is more more more more than enough...... but they claim it is not

5) Bush has refused to enroll over 350,000 middle income veterans in the VA health system, breaking a promise to those who have fought for this country. When did he make the cut? About 2 weeks into the military campaign in Iraq... Thatnks for risking your life for Bush guys, now get lost (That's leadership you can count on ).

6) Bush is refusing to fully fund 2 out of 3 firehouses that are still understaffed since 9/11. Not only that, but 77% of all FDs don't have the proper equipment or training to respond to chemical or bio weapons... That's homeland security!!!

6) Bush broke his promise to fund his own education program. He left millions of children behind by refusing to fund any part of his plan outside the initial testing.

7) Over the last 2 years Bush CUT spending for protection from violence in our schools by 45% and an additional 30% respectively.

Bush went to war in Iraq without a plan to win peace. Even now in the face of massive American casualties he STILL refuses UN and International aid in sharing the burden of reconstruction of the infrastructure.

9) Today Bush and Cheney FINALLY admitted that there has been no evidence of any WMD found in Iraq. In fact, the Iraqi's ability to produce such weapons has depleted annually since 1991.

10) Bush's economic plan has created the LARGEST deficit in HISTORY (this immediately following Clinton's $110 billion surplus!!!). It has also provided the WORST economic growth in years.

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the last few I agree with

I use to Spot off about how we went to Iraq for the Oil, After doing more Reasearch I have Conclued I was wrong,

The Real Reason was not Oil or WMD, or Terror, it was to Secure a Military Foothold in that Region, Thus why they dont allow the UN or anyone else in. They want the CONTROL.... think about the POWER we not control over the Middle East.. Sure we had a Base in Sudia Ariba, but it was Restricted, now we dont need permission...

I will leave you with these Final Words


Bush/Kerry 04 Either way we are all ****ED

[sandt38]

Like a bumper sticker I saw the other day said...

ANYBODY BUT BUSH

Have you been to Howard Stern's webite? Very interesting stuff on there... and I mean outside the pics :P , about Bush. He is pretty rough on the administration really.

[geolemon]

I like the bumper stickers that have the "W" with the slash through it, saying "Bush... let's not elect him in 2004 either"

Also, bear this in mind...

We've dug ourselves into a hole.
There's always a ladder leading out of the hole.

This election might not afford us the option of jumping right out of the hole in a single bound (much less reach some state of utopia)...
...but we still have a choice:
1) Stay standing at the bottom of the pit
2) Step onto the first rung of the ladder

And for anyone that doesn't understand my analogies here... perhaps you are with the crowd of people that were able to be tricked into thinking that invading Iraq was retaliation for Al Queda's attack on the WTC - those that don't actually think things through.
I know there's a lot of those out there... election polls prove it.

[The_Ancient]

I still think thaqt whom ever is elected (unless by some off chance neither Bush or Kerry is elected and the Libertarian's win which would be great) we will still be digging ourselves in a Deeper hole... the only Differance is the DIRECTION the hole is heading

[luvdeftonz]

I'll come across as uncaring and cruel, but:

Fire departments, police departments...are city/county/state problems, not the federal governments problems. To blame the federal gov't on underfunded or underprepared city/county agenies is unfair. Look to local gov't, which uses local taxes to both fund and ammend/solve issues dealing with law enforcement and the fire dept. People can always make targets of big whigs like the president, but they rarely know what their local representatives vote on (many don't even know the name of their rep's) let alone know that they are the ones that make decisions regarding funding and support or fire and police..

Job loss? Gov't shouldn't "create" jobs, nor does it have direct power to cut them (unless it's job cuts in the gov't...which happens far too infrequently). Business' exist for the sole purpose of making money. OT, and whether it's "fair" is a decision that should be left solely to the business itself. The federal gov't has no right to tell business' what they should pay their employees. If the employees don't like it, they should find employment elsewhere. My feeling is that they won't get to make the rules there, either. If it was altogether unfair, employees would walk out en masse...forcing employers to negotiate with its employees (or go out of business). Employment in this country is not a "right", nor is a certain wage for working a certain number of hours.

Health insurance is a problem in this country, but few want to look at some of the root causes. My mom is a case manager/RN at a relatively large hospital. If you knew how many people get absolutely free health care with no questions asked you'd **** yourself (I've seen the hospital's "books"). It's an especially burdensome issue down here in SoCal with all the illegal aliens. Unfortunately, the medicine, equipment, overhead, and employees the hospital uses don't come free. Who picks up the cost if not the uninsured/illegals...you and I (or the insured) do with heftier medical bills. Insurance providers have to pay not only for those they directly insure, but for those that aren't insured at all. The FDA and it's over-regulatory monopoly on what drugs are suitable and which ones are not adds to the price of developing drugs (and the exorbitant R&D costs the public just expects them to write off or disregard), dispensing drugs, and creating drugs. Pointing the finger at Bush, or any chief executive, is silly.

The federal gov't shouldn't worry about schools/education. Again, that's a state/county/city problem. Why does everyone want the federal government to solve all their problems? They do very few things well. Of all things, why the hell would you want them to be in charge of education?

While Bush/Cheney have admitted that there weren't any WMD in Iraq, everyone in the world thought there were. Hussein's TOP GENERALS thought they had WMD. If the people in Hussein's tiny, tiny, inner circle thought he had them, why is it so unreasonable for the rest of the world to think the same? It's easy to look back (hindsight...) and say "I told you so" when you weren't there facing who knows what as this administration did. I don't have a problem at all with Bush/Cheney taking the hard line and thinking the worst of a madman.

The deficit/debt is a horribly overrated "problem". Generally, it shows most people's lack of knowledge regarding economics. While I'd like to see a reduction in both, it's not out of fear that we are going bankrupt.

[The_Ancient]

Originally posted by luvdeftonz@Oct 8 2004, 04:11 PM
I'll come across as uncaring and cruel, but:

Fire departments, police departments...are city/county/state problems, not the federal governments problems. To blame the federal gov't on underfunded or underprepared city/county agenies is unfair. Look to local gov't, which uses local taxes to both fund and ammend/solve issues dealing with law enforcement and the fire dept. People can always make targets of big whigs like the president, but they rarely know what their local representatives vote on (many don't even know the name of their rep's) let alone know that they are the ones that make decisions regarding funding and support or fire and police..

I agree for the most part. however Most states Figure in a Certin amount of Federal Money in their Budgets, with out it they are forced to raise already high taxes, and What is go name are the feds doing with the 1.5 TRILLION anyway???????

Job loss? Gov't shouldn't "create" jobs, nor does it have direct power to cut them (unless it's job cuts in the gov't...which happens far too infrequently). Business' exist for the sole purpose of making money. OT, and whether it's "fair" is a decision that should be left solely to the business itself. The federal gov't has no right to tell business' what they should pay their employees. If the employees don't like it, they should find employment elsewhere. My feeling is that they won't get to make the rules there, either. If it was altogether unfair, employees would walk out en masse...forcing employers to negotiate with its employees (or go out of business). Employment in this country is not a "right", nor is a certain wage for working a certain number of hours.

I agree that the Government should not control jobs, but they should also NOT be sign FTA's that allow for Jobs to be Exported with NO COST more or less

also, we are truly on a "race to the bottom" as far as Employment goes

Look at it this way, my Grandpa has Company Paid Health, Pension, No cap on Vacation, All Kinds of Holiday's, Sick Time, etc etc etc

Now day your LUCKY to have any Health (company pay hardly anything any more just over a group plan), 1-2 weeks of Vactioan, and 4 Paid Holidays that is IT, no Pension's. no Sick Time, really no Benifits, and the Wages are actually DROPPING, not increaing

You companies have the sole Purpose to make money, but my Question is, if no one has any money to spend because we are all "just getting buy" how can they make money

at some point it will happen is things keep on the same track, not in the near future, but it will happen...

the Average Famliy has to Work 60 Hrs a Week just to Pay the Bills, that leave about 20 hrs on average to "play with" budget wise, and that number (play with amount) decreases every year

Health insurance is a problem in this country, but few want to look at some of the root causes. My mom is a case manager/RN at a relatively large hospital. If you knew how many people get absolutely free health care with no questions asked you'd **** yourself (I've seen the hospital's "books"). It's an especially burdensome issue down here in SoCal with all the illegal aliens. Unfortunately, the medicine, equipment, overhead, and employees the hospital uses don't come free. Who picks up the cost if not the uninsured/illegals...you and I (or the insured) do with heftier medical bills. Insurance providers have to pay not only for those they directly insure, but for those that aren't insured at all.

Yes we have all Heard the "ohh poor us we have to pay for the uninsured"

it would be a Good Excuse if I did not see the "books" myself, and Realize how much PROFIT, (were talking BILLIONS upon BILLIONS) the both the Hospitals, and the Insurance Companies are making.......

Profit is one thing, GOUGING is another

Although I do argee, anyone the comes in that is Illegal should be Treat only if it is life Threating, and then sent RIGHT BACK TO MEXICO.... RIGHT BACK./.......

Personal I think we need to Build a 1,000 Foot Concrete wall on the Border, and Shoot anyone that tries to Climb it

The FDA and it's over-regulatory monopoly on what drugs are suitable and which ones are not adds to the price of developing drugs (and the exorbitant R&D costs the public just expects them to write off or disregard), dispensing drugs, and creating drugs. Pointing the finger at Bush, or any chief executive, is silly.

Who do you think wants to keep the Regs the way thay are, THE DRUG COMPAINES...

there was a Bill that would have reduced the Requirments so the prices would be Dropped, but the DRUG COMPAINES lobbied against it, they WANT THEIR PROFIT"S they dont care about the People, they care about MONEY

it really sickens me, I am all for making sure they make money, but Gougeing the Pubic is a Vastly Differant thing they Fair Compensation

The federal gov't shouldn't worry about schools/education. Again, that's a state/county/city problem. Why does everyone want the federal government to solve all their problems? They do very few things well. Of all things, why the hell would you want them to be in charge of education?

it becomes a FEDERAL PROBLEM with the FEDERAL government pass LAWS that make state do things, if the FEDS want to Tell them what to do, they better Damn Sure Pay for it, I dont want my Income/Property Taxes raised because of some damn Federal program they made but will not fund

While Bush/Cheney have admitted that there weren't any WMD in Iraq, everyone in the world thought there were. Hussein's TOP GENERALS thought they had WMD. If the people in Hussein's tiny, tiny, inner circle thought he had them, why is it so unreasonable for the rest of the world to think the same? It's easy to look back (hindsight...) and say "I told you so" when you weren't there facing who knows what as this administration did. I don't have a problem at all with Bush/Cheney taking the hard line and thinking the worst of a madman.

Iraq was/is a Mistake, to think other wise well is just being a SHEEP./..

even IF he had "wmd" (which is such a Annoying Acronym) he was in no position to attack us.. maybe israel, which I could care less about, they have cuased us more problems then they are worth anyway

The deficit/debt is a horribly overrated "problem". Generally, it shows most people's lack of knowledge regarding economics. While I'd like to see a reduction in both, it's not out of fear that we are going bankrupt.

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I agree for the Most part,

[joelsbass]

Originally posted by Michael@Oct 7 2004, 08:57 PM
I will leave you with these Final Words
Bush/Kerry 04 Either way we are all ****ED

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hell, that's one thing here i couldn't agree with more <_<

in general our federal government is far bigger than was ever intended or is constitutional... if our founding fathers (that's such a gay term ) were around they'd probably be calling for a revolution to get things back the way they were ment to be... Most of our federal taxes are unconstitutional, and the federal government should be the tiniest fraction of what it is... The states should have the power, we should be paying the larger portion of our taxes to the states, those who are supposed to be making the laws that affect us directly... and lastly we need to stop electing dumbass politicians... politicians don't know anymore about the way things should be done than musicians (who's whole anti-bush tour ****es me off to no end not because i disagree with them but because they're FRICKING MUSICIANS!!!! who have no damn need to be touting political views...) the only reason we vote for politicians is because it's what we're used to doing!! we need to elect people with real lives, people who actually understand the constitution and what it means, and can get this God forsaken country of ours back on track. Hell, once i've got my doctorate in psychology, if i've written some books and made it into the public eye somewhat i'll frickin run for president, even if i don't win i'll make it a point to show people just how far off our political system has gotten and hopefully get the citizens of this country to start lobying for changes...

[luvdeftonz]

Profits? My mom's hospital (private hospital, btw) lost $~15 million last year. About $30 million the year before. We have ER's shutting their doors down here left and right. We have whole hospitals going out of business down here. The liberal intelligentsia have done a good job in convincing people that the hospitals are making a ton of money...when in fact most lose money or barely break even.

Iraq...as I previously mentioned. "I told you so's" after the fact are nothing more than a convenient way out of dealing with what was known then not now. Hindsight makes everyone a genius.

As I've asked others numerous times, don't tell me why I shouldn't vote for Bush. Tell me why I should vote for Kerry. Nobody can come up with anything even mildly persuasive. Look at Kerry's Senate voting record (and attendance, for that matter) and tell me what leads you to believe that all of a sudden he is a changed man.

[The_Ancient]

Originally posted by luvdeftonz@Oct 9 2004, 02:15 PM
Profits? My mom's hospital (private hospital, btw) lost $~15 million last year. About $30 million the year before. We have ER's shutting their doors down here left and right. We have whole hospitals going out of business down here. The liberal intelligentsia have done a good job in convincing people that the hospitals are making a ton of money...when in fact most lose money or barely break even.

Iraq...as I previously mentioned. "I told you so's" after the fact are nothing more than a convenient way out of dealing with what was known then not now. Hindsight makes everyone a genius.

As I've asked others numerous times, don't tell me why I shouldn't vote for Bush. Tell me why I should vote for Kerry. Nobody can come up with anything even mildly persuasive. Look at Kerry's Senate voting record (and attendance, for that matter) and tell me what leads you to believe that all of a sudden he is a changed man.

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I will not be voting for either kerry or bush...

as far as them "losing" money, well frankly I dont believe it for a second sorry